I wanted to talk about football (groan) but got stuck not knowing how to describe my daughter-in-law's father. Trevor is definitely a dear friend but am I actually related to him?
The thing is, he is one of two people I know and like that try - with some success - to wind me up by describing the Premier League as the First Division and the league that Ipswich Town are in - League One - as the Third Division. This nomenclature went out in 1992, guys! Are you old or just annoying?
Anyhow, barracking aside, what relation, if any, is Trevor to me?
Applying a degree of logic: first of all we are the same generation so normally that would mean some kind of brother or cousin. Maybe brother-in-law-in-law? I've never understood the concepts of first/second cousins or once/twice removed, but perhaps that could be part of the title? How about "grand-something"?
The thing about "in-law" is that there is a clear implication of a legal status. So that's out. Narrowing down.
Definitely not cousins; a legally defined term I think. No consanguinity.
Which leaves me with something like brother twice removed - one removal for down a generation, from me to my daughter-in-law - and once for up a generation from her to her father.
"This is my brother twice removed" is therefore how I might introduce Tony - the other friend who refuses to acknowledge any football in the last 28 years - when we meet someone in the Britannia Inn (very soon hopefully). That is either a conversation piece or a conversation-stopper. Depending on how many drinks the various parties have had.
I therefore consulted Mr Jimmy Wales, aka Wikipedia. Which we know always tells the truth. This tells me that Trevor and I are co-fathers-in-law. Not sure I think much of that; it makes us sound like a couple, with responsibility for our offspring.
My solution for this problem is: brothers-in-arms. It implies shared values and a willingness to stand up for each other. I like it. I could refer you to the Dire Straits song but it really doesn't help - no hyphens. So just my word for it.
How about it, Trevor, are we brothers-in-arms?
Who knew football could be so profound?